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Shell typically use a Tibor Back Country (or possibly Tail Water) reel or Abels TR clicker reel

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While they will hit a frog too, especially if the fish are super aggressive and buried in cover, typically the popper works best and gives you a better chance of catching any of those fish that just swipe at the bait, which tends to happen as a shad spawn dies down later in the morning

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